The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - Season 4 Episode 1: Matthew McConaughey

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This episode was recorded: 12/21/2020
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Matthew McConaughey (actor, producer, and best-selling author of Greenlights) sits down with Jordan B. Peterson to talk about Matthew’s new book, his upbringing, his relationships with his mother and father, his journey to being at peace with his fame, what it’s like to play malevolent or dark characters in movies or on television, and a surprising satirical review of Greenlights.
Find Matthew McConaughey on Twitter @McConaughey and on Instagram @officiallymcconaughey and basically anywhere. Check out his new book Greenlights, which has sold more than 1 million copies, available at
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's new book, Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life, is available for preorder now:
Show Notes:
[1:00] Jordan Peterson kicks off the conversation by asking why and how Matthew McConaughey wrote his book Greenlights.
[4:00] Matthew realized he needed to write the book himself without a ghostwriter as initially planned and dig back into his journals as a form of necessary reflection on the past.
[6:00] Matthew’s old journals revealed their common thread through all the stories, poems, and bumper stickers. That common thread was the creation of good things in life through mindset or action “Greenlights.”
[12:00] Jordan talks about his initial response after reading Matthew’s book and how his expectations were changed.
[14:00] Matthew talks about his solo trips when starting to create the structure of his book. Jordan comments that this was a book written by a celebrity that did not really focus on the traditional parts of being a celebrity (very family-focused and foundational). Matthew states, “When we were editing the book, I found that the more personal the stories became, the more relatable they seemed to become, to the human condition, and that was my hope.”
[18:00] Jordan and Matthew revisit the African trip, chasing dreams and having the same exact dream multiple times over the span of many years.
[24:00] What was the personal impact on Matthew during his trip to Africa where he got to strip away the identity we all know him for and exist as something else? Jordan comments that very often, people confuse their reputation with who they really are, and they start to act as a representation of their reputation instead of themselves; it’s an easy trap to fall into.
[22:00] Matthew discusses dealing with the pitfalls of fame. Matthew covers his changing relationship with his mother due to success.
[25:00] Jordan B. Peterson asks Matthew McConaughey about some of his acting work in True Detective and playing dark characters. “How do you play a dark role very well without letting the darkness invade you?”
[32:00] Matthew talks about the positive aspects of the sometimes tense relationship with his father and having a childhood that balanced love and hardship directed from the same people.
[37:00] Jordan and Matthew continue talking about going deeper into the psychology of a dark character like Rustin Cole on True Detective
[45:30] Matthew expanded on the short-term effects of initial fame.
[51:30] Matthew and Jordan discuss the long-term effects of fame.
[55:00] Jordan points out, “If flawed people were incapable of creativity, we would have no creativity.”
[1:03:00] How Matthew and Jordan first became friends.
[1:07:30] Matthew shares a comical review of his own book written as if Jordan was the one reviewing it.

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Jordan B Peterson
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Matthew McConaughey’s new book Greenlights:
sungirl99 Prieš 6 val
Camilla is lucky to have a loyal Texas man. I have one 😊too
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Matthew talking about optimisim or pessimism so nonsensical .Of course he is going to think suffering is worth it. What would he think if he was born in eastern Democratic republic of Congo in the middle of war, famine, Tropical Disease, Terrorism, And witnessed sexual crime of his own family or being sexually molested as a kid . Would he still think that this all has to has a deeper meaning ?
Sherlock Holmes lives.
Sherlock Holmes lives. Prieš 11 dienų
I did NOT intrude into anyone's sex life!!! I think that some bastard may have set me up!!!
Sherlock Holmes lives.
Sherlock Holmes lives. Prieš 11 dienų
@Historia Antiqua Do you mean loves Nietzsche so much, me, Jordan Peterson or Wagner. Wagner and Nietzsche fell out with each other by the way.
Sherlock Holmes lives.
Sherlock Holmes lives. Prieš 11 dienų
@Historia Antiqua "The most important lessen we have learned from history is that we haven't learned anything from history." Hegel ( 1770 - 1831 )
taijitu Prieš 18 minučių
This is like being a fly on the wall of a clinical consultation with the inestimably gifted Jordan Peterson, but I can't help thinking any average person would make a more interesting client.
zackf12 Fisher
zackf12 Fisher Prieš val
Didn't even know JP had a podcast, I should've figured. Good stuff.
NorthShore Ireland
NorthShore Ireland Prieš 7 val
Pleasantly Thought provoking.
Alison McShannon
Alison McShannon Prieš 9 val
When good work is done by any one, it generates good in others, gratitude to the universe for those who think with clarity, love and purpose and share it xx
scott gower
scott gower Prieš 11 val
Gentlemen, what an inspiring and helpful interview. I am a huge Peterson fan and while I have always like your movies, Matthew; I really had no idea that you are the great guy that you sound to be. Both of you inspired me today. I have since bought and read your book, and have given it to my two sons and several young college age men that I come into contact with. Jordan, I also listened to your recent interview with Dave Rubin today and downloaded your new book this morning. God bless you both!!!!!
Pan LVX Prieš 21 val
Sounds like Shadow Work.
argile5 Prieš dieną
For actors there seem to be many layers covering their true selves, even within thememselves when they are alone. It's hard to be your true self when everyone thinks you are the characters you play. But at the center of all people including yourself you find the real God, or the source of all things both good and bad.. So there is nothing to hide in the end. We are all the same thing.
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Matthew talking about optimisim or pessimism so nonsensical .Of course he is going to think suffering is worth it. What would he think if he was born in eastern Democratic republic of Congo in the middle of war, famine, Tropical Disease, Terrorism, And witnessed sexual crime of his own family or being sexually molested as a kid . Would he still think that this all has to has a deeper meaning ?
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+ i forgot adding volcano eruption and genocide. By the way this place is real.The city is called GOMA search it.
Anne O Loughlin
Anne O Loughlin Prieš dieną
Great discussion.
-Yop- Prieš dieną
03:52 Omg..... they pulled him off? -Korg
Photographer Extraordinaire
Photographer Extraordinaire Prieš dieną
I love you Matthew McConaughey, and I love you Jordan Peterson. You are WONDERFUL HUMAN BEINGS, WORTH replicating and EMBRACING.
Photographer Extraordinaire
Photographer Extraordinaire Prieš dieną
GOOD on you Matthew... GOOD on you Jordan. You did not either of you to finish this argument. I thoroughly enjoyed this WHOLE dialogue. :)
Coachtomato Prieš dieną
The reason the West and the world is so messed up these days is because college and school in general isn't structured to simulate engagement and conversation between opposing views. We could learn a thing or two from ancient Greece
Marcus Lamb-Bentley
Marcus Lamb-Bentley Prieš dieną
That was really good. Well done guys
Daniel Lebron Torres
Daniel Lebron Torres Prieš 2 dienas
Great interview. Matthew is a very smart guy.
Felipe Julio
Felipe Julio Prieš 2 dienas
"We´re racing to the red light buddy that´s all it is so what are you doing what´s here, there´s one play and you go until you die and that´s it so what are you gonna do, don´t be giving yourself let yourself off it thinking well there may be life after this, no no no. Stop it" 41:56
Terry Mantle
Terry Mantle Prieš 2 dienas
Based on the man I met 10 yrs. Ago. . Character, Valor, integrity..
kevin outdoors
kevin outdoors Prieš 2 dienas
an excellent conversation I totally enjoyed it's so good to see Mr Peterson doing what he does best again
Mr. Know It All
Mr. Know It All Prieš 2 dienas
Thank you for this video. Free content and priceless knowledge..
Reese Herrmann
Reese Herrmann Prieš 3 dienas
Jordan please come to America and save our discourse I don’t want the west to fall
Matt DO
Matt DO Prieš 3 dienas
Outstanding. Love self-examination and the conversation with others interested in the growth that follows.
Shelltowee 86
Shelltowee 86 Prieš 3 dienas
Alright, alright, alright, was wondering when he was going to be on. Could you imagine running into this guy in the middle of the desert?
Jowi Newbandz
Jowi Newbandz Prieš 3 dienas
The pic on the book looks like a longer haired Ed Norton.
Michael Garbaccio
Michael Garbaccio Prieš 3 dienas
Great interview. Both parties listening to each other.
Sherlock Holmes lives.
Sherlock Holmes lives. Prieš 3 dienas
Does Jordan Peterson read lots of books? Perhaps he uses the speed reading technique?
Sherlock Holmes lives.
Sherlock Holmes lives. Prieš 3 dienas
I could look it up but it is fun to ask, what is a democratic socialist?
i just like to stare at their style, two handsome men!!!
Josh Kelley
Josh Kelley Prieš 4 dienas
This was a great fluid conversation between smart grown people!. The universe's algorithms were at work, as I was watching this video and my phones news alert popped up with a story about Dr. Petersons new book coming out, and the controversy over publishing or not..
Maria Jose Martinez
Maria Jose Martinez Prieš 4 dienas
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson, the last gentleman in academia. And also he’s one hell of an interviewer, on top.
Jim Dunn
Jim Dunn Prieš 4 dienas
McConaughey i think the best part for you to play would be a fake televangelist clairvoyant faith Healr you would be perfect for something like that if you could come up with a story ive saw a few interviews with other celebritys and thay all say you draw them in very good talker you have that thing your a charmer
Earth Angel
Earth Angel Prieš 4 dienas
Yes!! That was well worth watching from start to finish! I'm so happy that Jordan is doing podcasts! I'm so excited to watch them ALL.
Marce K
Marce K Prieš 4 dienas
Appreciating this so much, and can't wait to go read both your books
Andrew MacLachlan
Andrew MacLachlan Prieš 4 dienas
Thoughtful, caring and purposeful discourse. Thank you. Love it.
Kurt Hubbard-Beale
Kurt Hubbard-Beale Prieš 5 dienų
.. Hmm, common denominator that both Mathew and Jordan don't/won't address. And THAT is the now much more apparent unmentionable intrinsic connecting, Masonic Cabaalistic thread. They mislead the casual listener in this way whilst presenting themselves to be 'utterly frank and open' etc. It's a sort of Misdirection which is ALSO a trademark of Cabaalists. Hollywood whether we are bothered to look or not, IS centred in Secret Society Babylonian Talmudic Zionist principles. Do what thoust wilt. Actors guild was created by and for, those that AGREE to present another persona, another narrative and guide society to view what they are showing you. As for Jordan Peterson and Psychology, Psychiatry - they are born out of B'nai B'rith secret society Cabalism. Freud was a Cabalist High level Mason Jew. Deception is the key here. Nazism itself is a point in fact as it was yet ANOTHER vehicle, a construct of control, for the Elite Sabettean Frankist Judaic Banking families to utilise over society, as if money was never enough. Clearly it was not. Read as much as you like to, date to perhaps regarding Psychology of Hollywood and its roots to be found emanating from 'Think Tank' the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations also, of which Sigmund Freud was the First Director.. Hitler himself had been funded by the money of Wall St. as had Trotsky, Lenin and a little later Stalin by this Banking Cartel - the basic Lie that endures in our history books today. Hitler was not only funded by the Cabaal and trained at what was the earlier form of the Tavistock Institute but the Web of deception continues with many unfortunate ugly truths that mislead the world and our Worldview today. Research is always best🙏
keegalonius Prieš 5 dienų
JP.... Doc, you should talk to THOMAS SOWELL. you guys are great!!
channel 105
channel 105 Prieš 5 dienų
That's not funny at all. To gi've opportunity and then stripe the career opportunity. You have someone in a level of poverty. You too will experience poverty.
CYBRCDZEN Prieš 5 dienų
Dr j.p is the goat. I wish you and your family a long healthy life you are one of the most inspirational for boys and men. Thanks Dr.
I live in Texas and it astounds me how McConaughey can tolerate how far Austin has fallen as a city. It's not really a place for a conservative.
bianchi1885 Prieš 6 dienų
Two major bad-asses. Not many to be found in the 21st century.
Brent Renkin
Brent Renkin Prieš 6 dienų
There are still men that one can look up to. Thanks Mr's Peterson and McConaughey,
Little Kahunas777
Little Kahunas777 Prieš 6 dienų
Your 50 .... hate you... lol
RJ Lee
RJ Lee Prieš 6 dienų
Glad to see Jordan back. Humanity needs his wisdom for as long as possible.
John Nguy
John Nguy Prieš 6 dienų
Mem muah!
Marlayne Madison
Marlayne Madison Prieš 6 dienų
I really admired Jordan Peterson and to have him interview Mattew McConaughey us such a treat. I have seen some personaities and also politicans. I worked for a media company. I am really impressed with these two men that they are real people and just real people. With the criminals we see in political life in all parties and celebrity personalities this is just a fresh breath of air. I do truly love Mattew McCouaughey's wife. When I have watched her She is the real deal. She seems not to be a plastic personality and just about what others have. I really do admire this women. He must be a good guy to get such s wonderful wife.
edward thompson
edward thompson Prieš 7 dienų
What a great supporter of President Trump
Zodiac Music
Zodiac Music Prieš 7 dienų
Not followed Jordan for a bit.. Good to listen to this mans wisdom again. Thank your Jordan. 🙏
Olga Kotlyarova
Olga Kotlyarova Prieš 7 dienų
I was a real pleasure hearing them talk ❤️
mark knight
mark knight Prieš 7 dienų
Being from uk. I know what bumper. Sticker is now.I like analogy and it’s brave space.
Rudy Boucher
Rudy Boucher Prieš 7 dienų
3100 downvotes? Bunch a derps.
Alexandra Nesterenko
Alexandra Nesterenko Prieš 7 dienų
A very enlightening conversation. What I like so much about this podcast is that it doesn’t feel like edited content, it feels like a conversation.
Liam Murphy
Liam Murphy Prieš 7 dienų
Thank you both you fine gentlemen loved this conversation you had with each other and to be able to listen in.
amit gabay
amit gabay Prieš 7 dienų
I'm so glad to see jordan peterson interviewing lord farquaad
Mystic_Saige_The_Psych Prieš 7 dienų
JP can we have you debate craig biddle on the podcast?
Tory M.
Tory M. Prieš 7 dienų
Frailty was my favorite movie with him in it.
James Gazeley
James Gazeley Prieš 7 dienų
Did he just interstellar teleport near the beginning
Stíofán Caomhanach
Stíofán Caomhanach Prieš 8 dienų
Love to see the short series of Mathew's "Wet Dreams"!
jmz388 Prieš 8 dienų
What a talk between two men.. we all men should have one with eachother... and dump the wokeism on the heap of history with leftism
Greg Lindstrom
Greg Lindstrom Prieš 8 dienų
GENESIS 4:1 (exhaustive) And Adam knew Hava his wife, who had desired the angel; and she conceived, and bare Kain; and she said, I have acquired a man, the angel of the Lord. And she added to bear from her husband Adam his twin, even Habel (Abel). TARGUM (exhaustive) who had desired the angel; and she conceived, and bear Kain; And she added to bear from her husband Adam his twin, even Habel (Abel). Genesis 3:14-15 The Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,cursed are you above all cattle, and above all wild animals;upon your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. 15 I will put enmity between you and the woman,and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel. Fruit is the Hebrew word pirchach,, meaning progeny, brood, children or descendants. Genesis 3:3 but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die
Sticky McBeaty
Sticky McBeaty Prieš 8 dienų
Watching these prisoners feel sorry for themselves makes me laugh. I wonder if they felt that same pitty, and remorse for their victims...? I doubt it.
Joshua Horn
Joshua Horn Prieš 8 dienų
Deeply appreciated that. I had a paradigm shift a few years ago when I realized I had the ability to really forgive myself. Not having that ability is a good way to live a life that could seem not worth living. Im grateful for the reminder.
E Pang
E Pang Prieš 8 dienų
The long hurricane pivotally scrub because wood orally improve to a hesitant font. nondescript, romantic bear
Dre J
Dre J Prieš 9 dienų
the “why” of things
Cabal Prieš 9 dienų
What an amazing talk. I was only going to watch the first few minutes but I kept going through the end. Matt seems like an incredible human being.
Themi Stoklis
Themi Stoklis Prieš 9 dienų
Mature engaging conversation between two accomplished individuals.
Gah Tang
Gah Tang Prieš 9 dienų
The guttural H habitual bandana opportunely cry because dinner prudently look past a sweltering ambulance. tangy, idiotic bibliography
will boone
will boone Prieš 9 dienų
We miss you Dr. Peterson, hope you have a speedy recovery to bring some more logic to those who need it.
EyeGodZA Prieš 10 dienų
1:08:45 cracked me up.
Gustaf Segersson
Gustaf Segersson Prieš 10 dienų
I love intelligent people
Rhys Hall
Rhys Hall Prieš 10 dienų
thank fucking god for Jordon Peterson. i feel like i have my masculinity back because of that beautiful man.
Ourlordtomcruise 11
Ourlordtomcruise 11 Prieš 10 dienų
Coming off those benzos did a number on you big guy. You should do that whole thing again so I don’t have to see you on LTlost for a year.
Tav Ferry
Tav Ferry Prieš 10 dienų
You're back! Didn't expect The Lincoln Lawyer, but am delighted and pleasantly surprised by this conversation.
Erik Johnson
Erik Johnson Prieš 10 dienų
Matthew blocked his Mum out for 8 years?? EIGHT years? That is cold...
Inner Sanctum Occultube
Inner Sanctum Occultube Prieš 10 dienų
Fanatic. I'd so love to interview you to kick off my podcast to support my upcoming book
R K Prieš 10 dienų
I like this man as an actor and a person. I hope all your viewers realize what kind of courage it takes for him to come here and speak to Jordan. Its no exageration to say that he's really putting his career in jeopardy simply by his past Pro-Christian remarks. Its truly sad but true that most of the cult that has become Hollywood all parrot one another and often try to out do one another in trying to be as absurdly liberal as possible. I don't just mean free-wheeling sex, drugs, alcohol and self centered behaviour...I mean that much is a given, but its grown into an echo chamber of who can be the most Leftist of the crowd. Who can condemn American history first, who can mawk Christianity and the traditional American family. They are after all actors, which is ok, but sadly many peopls hold them in such high esteem as if they're not all fake and good at being so. Congrats to Matthew M. for standing up for his true beleifs and casting fear aside. Good man you are.
ZenPhilosopher123 Prieš 10 dienų
Alt-Right Alt-Right Alt-Right Alt-Right....
Cssaarr Prieš 11 dienų
Jordan Peterson, I just want to thank you for bringing common sense back to public discussion, I know it must be a burden, I just wish you the best
J. David Del Carmen
J. David Del Carmen Prieš 11 dienų
where do you find a wife like that!!
Atena Abdinejad
Atena Abdinejad Prieš 11 dienų
I enjoyed this conversation very much. It was quite a journey, for me at least.
ldn0224 Prieš 11 dienų
Your hands are the wheel, regardless of what is happening. Matt has it totally correct and good lesson for all of us.
bealerDSB Prieš 11 dienų
Michael, amongst other current male 'wood actors, are now below your skill set. Because, your ending speach was all about you-being your OWN JUDGE AND JURY.Wishing Michael, push your last 5minutes in your friends faces// "successful actors", and debate towards them -> e.g, quit paying your Uber expensive Therapist downtown, and just answer your own question.if you move within right side of the law,&you think you are doing the wrong thing, u probably are ;)) (?)
M.M.H Prieš 11 dienų
This is resonating . Thank you.
Eliza Bentley
Eliza Bentley Prieš 11 dienų
This was thoroughly enjoyable.
D. Craig Döring
D. Craig Döring Prieš 11 dienų
Absolute Brilliance. Thank you both for this great interview.
Daniela Fischerlehner
Daniela Fischerlehner Prieš 12 dienų
AMAZING! Thank you to both of you, truly inspiring!
JuiC33 Prieš 12 dienų
My dad and uncle in the same room? That's going to be an interesting conversation
Christina Niemiec
Christina Niemiec Prieš 12 dienų
Surprisingly great discussion!! Totally relatable! So many great points made by Jordan and Matthew! I loved it!
NatalieJune Prieš 12 dienų
On Dr. Petersons' daughter Mikaylas channel, she made a podcast with Mathew as well. Did you see it, it's also good? It came out before this one. I bought his book immediately after watching it.
Krums Korner
Krums Korner Prieš 12 dienų
Talk about the blind leading the blind. A little history lesson for you. The death by crucifixion before crucifixion even existed: This prophecy was written 1,000 years before Jesus was born and centuries before Roman crucifixion was even invented. How did King David predict the future by saying this would happen to the Jewish Messiah? The prophecy itself came to fulfillment in Jerusalem around 33 AD when Jesus was executed by the Romans: 'And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them' Mark 15:24 The crucifixion of Christ under the Roman official, Pontius Pilate, is one of the most well-established facts of history. Even German atheist scholar, Gerd Ludemann declares, 'Jesus’ death as a consequence of crucifixion is indisputable.' Not one scientific scholar has debunked a single prophetic event from the Bible in over 2000yrs... not one. If one event had been debunked - there would be a date in history as the day the Bible was debunked. There is no such date. Get over yourselves
Lenny Lazerdisc
Lenny Lazerdisc Prieš 12 dienų
Was gonna watch 5 minutes before bed but that was worth how tired I'm gonna be tomorrow
dammie OG
dammie OG Prieš 13 dienų
Natasa Damjanovic
Natasa Damjanovic Prieš 13 dienų
Awesome, frank interview. Thank you !!!
Gitfiddle 7766
Gitfiddle 7766 Prieš 13 dienų
McConaughey always stuck me as a thoughtful person and a bit of a mans man. I remember his phase of living in his Airstream camper on the beach thinking “That’s the way you do it!” Solid actor who’s got better with age.
roy bickley
roy bickley Prieš 13 dienų
Around the 45 minute mark when discussing how he plays opposite rolls of what is going on in real life sounds like a way to stay humble and appreciative maybe even subconsciously. Just a thought
sarf Prieš 13 dienų
Jordan Peterson was more handsome than Mathew when he was young 😀. Who agrees me
Bill Faulkner
Bill Faulkner Prieš 13 dienų
It’s honestly hilarious how comedic Matt is and how literal Jordan is about the exact same thing, and yet there’s still no loss to the moment.
Double Digit
Double Digit Prieš 13 dienų
Two frauds praising one another. Pathetic
Eric Button
Eric Button Prieš 13 dienų
1 comment : please stop wearing glasses
-WoF- DarkNewton
-WoF- DarkNewton Prieš 13 dienų
Jordan Peterson: "You struck me as an intensely likeable character" Journalist quote: "You struck me"
DrGains Prieš 13 dienų
"you're hired" - msm
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